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The stoning and "turning out" of homosexuals
vitor_palmer
Another approach:

This approach could be particularly effective, especially in our PC world.

(Establish moral absoluteness of Mohammed’s example, Quran, hadith collections)

EW: Dr. Naik, may I ask you about Islam’s beliefs about homosexuality? Islam believes it’s a sin, is that correct?

Dr. Naik: A lot of politically correct generalities (Force him to admit that it is a sin in Islam)

EW: Now that we’ve established homosexuality is a sin in Islam, could you please provide the Quranic verses that support your religion’s beliefs?

Dr. Naik: Hopefully he’ll point to Qur'an (7:80-84).

EW: Okay, let us take a look at this verse in full:

We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? "For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds." And his people gave no answer but this: they said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" But we saved him and his family, except his wife: she was of those who lagged behind. And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): Then see what was the end of those who indulged in sin and crime!

And here’s a hadith from Bukhari:

Volume 7, Book 72, Number 774:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, "Turn them out of your houses ." The Prophet turned out such-and-such man, and 'Umar turned out such-and-such woman.

(This is vague, so it’s entirely possible he could wiggle out of it somehow. If someone with greater knowledge than I could tighten this up, I’d appreciate it).

So as you mentioned earlier, this verse condemns homosexuality. And it’s been well-documented that in some Islamic societies, men have been stoned and hanged for committing homosexual acts, and they justify it by pointing to that verse.

So we see that God destroyed men for committing homosexual acts. As you’ve already mentioned, the Quran is to guide man for all time. So you must believe that in the year 2010, it’s morally acceptable for homosexuals to be killed for their acts, is that correct?
Dr. Naik: Of course not, that was simply God recounting the way he once dealt with homosexuality, but it isn’t a mandate, etc.

EW: Fair enough, but let’s take a look at the hadith from Bukhari again:

The Prophet cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, "Turn them out of your houses ." The Prophet turned out such-and-such man, and 'Umar turned out such-and-such woman.

So you must believe that homosexuals are an accursed people, and that they are to be driven from your society, is that correct?

Dr. Naik: A whole lot of generalities, hating the sin, love the sinner, etc.

(The issue could easily be pressed, and again, with the PC sensitivities of the West, this has the potential to be very damaging for Islam. I know the argument presented is far from air-tight, but it could be improved upon

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