vitor_palmer (vitor_palmer) wrote,

The vagueness of 5:33

5:33 is an excellent verse to use in numerous arguments.  Here, we'll simply read the verse and get our tolerant, peaceful Muslim leader to get us to explain why his god was so deliberately vague on such a serious issue.

EW: You earlier mentioned Quranic verse 5:32, which tells us that "if anyone killed a person, it would be as if he had killed all of humanity".  That's really nice.  But 5:33 seems doesn't seem nearly as "loving and tolerant".

Let's take a look at it:

(It might be worth reading a couple of the different "respected" translations just to limit his "mistranslated, misinterpreted" options).

YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter

PICKTHAL: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom

SHAKIR: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement

So we see that your god said that those who "wage war against Allah" or "make mischief" should be executed, crucified or dismembered. 

Now, it might just be me, but it seems like execution, crucifixion, and dismemberment are pretty serious punishments.  I would think that the grounds for such terrible punishments should be clearly defined. 

For example, we might say, "Any grown man who has sex with a child should be executed".

Or we might say, "Anyone who owns slaves, or engages in the slave trade should have his hands cut off".

But for some reason, the god of the Quran said, "those who wage war against Allah or make mischief should be executed, crucified or dismembered".

In your opinion, what constitutes "waging war against Allah" or "making mischief"? 

Also, why do you think your god was so deliberately vague about such a terribly serious matter?

Dr. Naik: (I genuinely have no idea how he might respond to this; I've personally never heard a decent response, so it should work quite well).
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