(Establish that the Quran and Muhammad's example are eternal and unchangeable).
EW: You earlier told us that you all have made the effort to reach out to the local and Jewish communities. I think that's wonderful. So would you say you have many non-Muslim friends?
Dr. Naik: Oh, absolutely. The local Christian leaders have been very supportive of us, and we have done everything we can to reach out to all non-Muslims. We love all people, and we really want to do a lot of good in this community.
EW: Well, I think that's wonderful. I do believe that if we're to move forward, people of all faiths must make the effort to work together and to live in harmony with one another.
But it also seems strange to me that you have made friends with non-Muslims. Here's why:
Quran 4:144-O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?
Quran 5:51-O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk
These verses make it clear that Muslims are not be friends with non-Muslims. Since you have taken Christians and Jews to be friends, we have to conclude that you are in acting in direct opposition of the will of your god. Why are you disobeying your god?
Dr. Naik: Well, what you have to understand is that at the time of Muhammad, the non-believers were constantly fighting against them, so it was important for the Muslims to band together as tightly as possible, etc.
EW: Historical context is irrelevant. You earlier confirmed that the Quran is God's eternal, unchangeable word. That means that in the year 2010, the words of the Quran are every bit as relevant as they were in the 7th century.
So your god made it clear that Muslims are not to be friends with non-Muslims. To reinforce this point, let's take a look at a few more verses that tell us how your god feels about non-Muslims:
(I'll post quite a few. Obviously, you don't have to use every single one, but the more, the better).
Quran 25:55-The Misbeliever is a helper (of Evil), against his own Lord!
Quran 9:123-O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty
Quran 9:30-The Jews call Ezra a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
Quran 25:52-Listen not to the unbelievers, but strive (Jihad) against them with the utmost strenuousness
Quran 2:6-As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom
Quran 66:9-Strive hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed
Quran 8:12-Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment.
Quran 3:110-Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors
Quran 98:6-Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
Quran 8:55-Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe
(And there are plenty more, but those should obviously make the point)
So we see that the god of the Quran doesn't think highly of non-Muslims, to say the least.
As we earlier established, the Quran also says Muslims are not to make friends with non-Muslims.
Since this is the case, I'll ask again: why are you disobeying the word of your god? Do you not love your god?
Dr. Naik: (He won't have much of a response to this. Particularly with a large non-Muslim audience, it's important to emphasize the hatred the god of the Quran does have for non-Muslims)
Once that's been established, this is a good follow-up.
EW: I'd also like us to take a look at another verse:
Quran 8:39-And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah
So we can see that Muslims are to fight until the entire world is Islamic. You earlier assured us that Islam is all about peace, so we can only conclude that by "fight" the god of the Quran means "strive through non-violent means" until all the world is Islamic.
Of course, the only non-violent way bring others to your religion is through evangelization. And to evangelize, you are to enter into trusting relationships with non-believers, share your faith, and show them your faith through your good deeds and love.
So this doesn't make much sense to me. Your god told you to fight until all the world Islamic, but then he told you not to be friends with non-Muslims. Therefore, it seems like it would be quite difficult for Muslims to bring non-Muslims to the true faith through non-violent means. I suppose the only conclusion we can make is that when the god of the Quran said to fight, he actually meant "engage in physical warfare" until everyone is either dead or thinks exactly like you do.
And that doesn't really square with my view of a "loving" God.
Could you help me understand this?
Dr. Naik: (Maybe there's something I'm not seeing here, but this should effectively trap him)